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Violence, debate breaks out at Capitol

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Opponents and supporters of Proposition 8, the ballot measure banning same-sex marriage, took to the streets of Sacramento Wednesday night as the battle over the controversial initiative continued up and down the state.

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ian

posted 11/06/08 @ 9:53 AM PST

this article is somewhat accurate at least. BBC caught LAP Beating a protester at Hollywood and highland. All local LA news are turning it like we were bad It was very peaceful as protests go. Shame of them for not covering this accurately. More Fodder for the hatefilled yes in H-8 Bigots. 14th Amendment calls for equal protection. America is about equal rights until one group decides they want to discriminate against another group. Happened before in this Country and is happening Again.

Ricky

posted 11/06/08 @ 1:10 PM PST

I couldn't help but notice that Proposition 8 and Proposition 1a passed by similar margins - 52-48%. Yet people are complaining very vigorously about the passage of one and not the other. How come? Apparently, the belief in the right to marry (or to accept or prohibit other people's marriages) is a lot stronger than the debate about spending a little money to improve California's transportation system. Most Californians probably didn't care whether 1a passed or failed; those that cared were probably either worried about taxes and financing or railroad supporters; I'll bet the rest of the electorate either split 50-50 or figured that a new railroad would make access to Los Angeles or San Francisco quicker on the ground "just in case" they needed to get there (depending on how many people were worried about costs). Marriage is much more of an emotional issue, especially among women, gays and lesbians, and churchgoers. Because the feelings are so strong on both sides, I doubt the dust on Proposition 22/ Proposition 8 is going to settle for a while. Wouldn't it be nice if people cared as much about the ethics and quality of the way they get around as they do about the ethics and quality of the way they connect with people in the bedroom?

Anne

posted 11/07/08 @ 1:29 PM PST

You must be kidding. Transportation concerns are not on the same level of concern as human and civil rights. People get a little more upset when their legal and human rights are taken away. This is not an issue about hurt feelings, it is not an "emotional issue", and it has nothing to do with what happens in the bedroom. This is about the legal protections afforded to protect a couple in regards to their children, mortgages, insurance policies, hospital visitation, taxes, social security, adoptions, accessing the family medical leave act, making medical decisions for an unconscious partner, carrying out final wishes for the deceased, and protections for the surviving partner if there is no will and family members want to take their home and belongings. Denying lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersexed individuals the right to marry classifies them as second class citizens and singles out one minority group to hold less civil rights than any other group of people. It would be state sanctioned discrimination, opening the doors to eliminate legal protections for LGBT people in schools and in the workplace.

Additionally, it is about religious freedom because it bans certain religions from their practices if the religion supports same-sex marriages. Are we going back to a government run by one religion? And the Mormons who funded the majority of the Yes on 8 campaign are a little hypocritcal since their own ideal marriages don't equal 1 man + 1 woman. The Mormons have fought the government for quite some time for legalily recognized polygamy and now they are pushing for more government control over marriages? Is this a religious issue or resentment?

What we should be concerned about is that Californians overwhelmingly acknowledged the rights of poultry before people.


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Ricky

I couldn't help but notice that Proposition 8 and Proposition 1a passed by similar margins - 52-48%. Yet people are complaining very vigorously about the passage of one and not the other. How come? Apparently, the belief in the right to marry (or to accept or prohibit other people's marriages) is a lot stronger than the debate about spending a little money to improve California's transportation system. Most Californians probably didn't care whether 1a passed or failed; those that cared were probably either worried about taxes and financing or railroad supporters; I'll bet the rest of the electorate either split 50-50 or figured that a new railroad would make access to Los Angeles or San Francisco quicker on the ground "just in case" they needed to get there (depending on how many people were worried about costs). Marriage is much more of an emotional issue, especially among women, gays and lesbians, and churchgoers. Because the feelings are so strong on both sides, I doubt the dust on Proposition 22/ Proposition 8 is going to settle for a while. Wouldn't it be nice if people cared as much about the ethics and quality of the way they get around as they do about the ethics and quality of the way they connect with people in the bedroom?

Philosophy Thesis

posted 7/09/09 @ 4:04 AM PST

Nice photos, especially the third one=)
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